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blade0817 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Mik, I can't reply to your message, you have friends-only private messages enabled, it is blocking me from replying to you.
blade0817 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I just have one question: how many skeptics here actually has given a try to acupuncture? I am hoping nobody is forming an opinion about something they never even experienced. I did get into it from having some treatment and got curious what that 'thing' was that I felt inside during these treatments and how it worked. It is an ancient science and the concept is very interesting and completely logical once you understand how they are formed and what they represent.
blade0817 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Not quite. Even today many hospitals in China use acupuncture mostly to reduce the administering of anesthetics during surgery and in some cases completely omit it - it depends on the patient's tolerance and the type of surgery of course. This reduces - or eliminates - the side effects as well as enables the patients to be more conscious during surgery - especially with those that require them to be awake.
mik99D (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
All those documented Chinese tests revealed that the patients were given a premed of (western) pain killers before the surgery. See the references in Ernst and Singh's 'Trick or Treatment' Bantam press 2008 ISBN 9780593061299 or tpb 9780593059043. "You can prove anything with facts"
blade0817 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
While I do agree on some of your points Poppler1234, acupuncture does work. I have tried it and experienced it, it is amazing how it works - I assume you did try it as well to form an opinion about it.
Saying this medicine is old and that's why it works is nonsense. Saying when someone use acupuncture on a point on the little toe (Zhi Yin) and a malpositioned fetus turns the correct way is curious (over 80% success rates in clinical trials!). Saying western medicine knows everything is: BS!
poppler1234 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
However long something has existed for doesn't make it valid, and coming from a different culture does not make his point any less correct. Saying that it does avoids the issue at hand. Coming from a different place does not reduce his ability to understand the level of effectiveness of acupuncture (which, by the way, acupunture IS bullshit).
Furthermore, Shermer doesn't work for drug companies. Therefore your other point is also completely asinine.
spytekpro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Yes! Slavery is okey! Lets hope it stays a long long time...
PudgyFistProductions (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Nerve endings.
j01tz0r (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
How old something is has no bearing on its validity. I guess slavery is okay since it was around for a long time. Same goes for thinking the earth is flat.
spytekpro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
he should go to China, and let him explain how they do major surgery.. even brain surgery.. with useing acupuncture alone. A western skeptic.. with a western perspective. Acupuncture is over 5,000 years old. China didn't accept rockafeller's moneyfor the colleges in China, to teach western medicine and do away w/ acupuncture teachings in China. It survives today. And just think.. the drug manufacturing companies don't make anything from this~that's why this idiot from the west.. is a clown.. |
